When will there be more products built with no code than coding?

[Lacey] 12 to 18 months?

[Ben] No, two years.

[Matt] Yeah, same two years.

18 to 36 months. Already, we're seeing a lot of momentum of things launching a product and again, because it opens up the ability to create software from like, point 3% to like, maybe 30%. It's just a volume game at that point.

Next year, less than a year.

I'm going to go with two years.

12 to 18 months, we might be getting close already.

We're like two, three years away.

I think we've already gotten to the point where at least a third of the things that launch on Product Hunt on are no-code or related in some way, or built with no-code — one of the two, I think we’re basically already there.

I don't know. This is a hard question because over time I'm not sure you'll ever be able to tell the difference.

I feel like it's already pretty on par with that right now. I want to think that it's already pretty there on Product Hunt, and so maybe like a year.

It's hard to say because coding apps isn't just gonna shut down tomorrow. So my guess is this is probably like much further out — say like, five plus years, maybe five to 10 even.